Atlético win but penalty woes continue at Mestalla

Griezmann and Gabi misses thankfully not crucial as rojiblancos beat Valencia

Griezmann opened the scoring after penalty miss

Griezmann opened the scoring after penalty miss

Atlético Madrid got the three points at Mestalla on Sunday lunchtime, but doesn’t tell half the story in hard fought game that saw them miss two penalties.

Griezmann and Gameiro got the goals to seal the win over Valencia, but Diego Alves will most likely be the man in the headlines as he denied the visitors not once but twice from the spot.

When Griezmann missed from 12 yards late on against Bayern on Wednesday night, Diego Simeone insisted that he had confidence in his number seven and that he would continue taking the responsibility.

That he did, but just before half-time he missed yet again after Ángel Correa was fouled inside the box, Diego Alves sprawling to his right and getting a strong hand on the ball to send it out for a corner.

Alves has an exceptional record from the spot having saved 22 of 45 faced in his career, and that may have been playing on Grizi’s mind as he missed his fourth penalty from six attempts in red and white.

That could’ve played on the mind of a lesser player, but as we know, Griezmann is one of the world’s best and unsurprisingly, it was he who broke the deadlock in the second half.

Substitutes Carrasco and Torres linked up to force Alves into another save, but Gameiro picked the ball up and set up his compatriot to smash home for 1-0.

Shortly after, Atleti had the chance to kill the match again from the penalty spot, former rojiblanco giving the referee no choice but to whistle again after he scythed down Griezmann.

This time though, the Frenchman passed his duties onto Gabi, but he too was denied by the (almost) impenetrable Diego Alves in quite unbelievable circumstances.

In truth, it was an easier save this time following a fairly tame effort, but compounded Atleti’s woes from the spot and ended Gabi’s perfect record (6 from 6) in La Liga.

The home crowd were encouraged and Valencia pushed for an equaliser, but Atleti’s stand-in defence of Stefan Savic and Lucas Hernández stood strong and made sure that the injured Diego Godín wasn’t missed at the back.

In injury time, Kevin Gameiro made sure of the result and allowed fans to breathe a sigh of relief, running onto a long ball before beating the defender and firing past Alves with his left foot.

It was a goal that both he and the team deserved, and takes Atleti up to top spot in La Liga at least until Real Madrid and Barcelona play later today.

Player ratings

Jan Oblak – 7

Dropped a few shots in the second half which is very uncharacteristic for him, but still had a good game and made some good saves especially to Rodrigo in the first half.

Juanfran – 7

Another very good performance. Was given some trouble early on by Nani but ended up getting the better of the Portuguese winger, also got forward to good effect and put in some useful crosses.

Stefan Savic – 7

Solid, composed, decisive as per usual. He is Jan Oblak in centre-back form. First time he’s played alongside Lucas in La Liga, but they looked like a veteran pairing and dealt with everything thrown at them.

Lucas Hernández – 8 (Man of the match)

Absolutely superb. The fact he is our fourth choice just goes to show the strength Cholo has available to him in defence. Didn’t put a foot wrong all game, and made a great challenge to deny Mina a clear shot on goal in the second half.

Filipe Luís – 7

His form at the moment may well be the best of his whole career. Only criticism we have of him is his crossing, but on the ball he may well be our best player. Best left-back in the world.

Gabi – 7

Penalty aside, he put in another great shift against a combative three man Valencia midfield. His fitness and consistency at 33 is almost unparalleled. Unfortunately though, he may not be the answer to our spot-kick troubles.

Koke – 7

Another good performance in the deeper midfield role. Had a lot of the ball and used it well, hardly ever making a bad decision or a wrong pass. One poor cut-back to Torres at the end, but otherwise we can’t fault him.

Saúl Ñíguez – 5

Had another quiet performance and was guilty of losing the ball sloppily on a few occasions. Lets hope he doesn’t suffer from a drop off in form (like Koke did for a short while), but it’s to be expected given how much he has played.

Antoine Griezmann – 7

Missed another penalty, but made up for it with an excellent goal at a crucial time in the match. Very pleasing to see how much he is involved in general play now as well, in the past he was guilty of being too quiet but has stepped it up this season.

Ángel Correa – 6

Tried to make things happen and did well to win the first penalty, but also lost the ball on a few too many occasions and struggled to find rhythm in attack. At the moment, the super-sub role suits him best.

Kevin Gameiro – 8

His best performance in an Atleti shirt. Got a goal and an assist, and was a constant threat to the Valencia defence with his direct running and movement. Took his goal really well, should do his confidence some good.

Subs

Yannick Carrasco – 7

Can count himself unlucky to drop out of the line-up after his match winning performance against Bayern. Really had the better of Montoya and was crucial in the opening goal with a clever ball to Torres.

Fernando Torres – 6

He and Carrasco changed the game. Like on Wednesday, his movement gave Valencia another thing to worry about on the break as demonstrated with the goal. Having a good season so far.

Tiago – 5

Covered a lot of ground, but did make a couple of sloppy passes and picked up a cheap yellow card. Perhaps not quite match fit at the moment.

Do you agree with our ratings? What did you make of the performance?


  • Vasile Oncea

    Gameiro man of the match, lucas was very good but gameiro is motm for me…

  • nandes

    If Valencia had a bit more luck with their shots I think this could’ve ended badly for us, but overall a good game. Carrasco for Saúl was a complete shock for me as we were basically playing with a 4-2-4 formation in a key moment of the game, but he (and Torres) had an instant impact so thankfully everything went well. Great goal and game by Gameiro.

  • Karlp

    the 1st half is the type of game that should be expected for most of the game from now on. Most teams will sit back against Atleti now. Should practice more for this type of game. And Saul shouldn’t be the AM, especially for this type of game, he is a CM/DM.

    Again agree with Lucas as MOTM. If Gameiro didn’t missed his 1st chance (that become Griez’s penalty), probably would pick him. He’s really2 good, just need a bit more confidence, mostly in his finishing.

  • sgs

    Kevin Gameiro should be our penalty taker.

  • samer kozaylee

    Holy shit with our penalty takers . Griezmann is traumatized from taking a penalty . Gameiro was great and he is much better from his brother Jackson Martinez + so fast like a horse . Lucas and gameiro were the best. Let’s hope a miracle ll happen real ll drop some point against eibar. barca will face a strong celta . Aupa Atleti

  • Kris

    You can’t continue to call him Jackson’s brother man, Gameiro has contributed much more to the team by October than did Jackson in that half season. Gameiro is the right type of striker for Atletico because he’s fast and strong and can create chances for himself like he did today, almost like Costa. He needs to be a bit clinical with his chances and placement of the ball while in front of goal, but other than that he’s got what it takes to be the striker for Atletico: 3 assists and 3 goals from last 6 games is not too terrible. Making a run like that at the 93rd minute is really fucking impressive and the goal is just the manifestation of his hard work throughout the match.

    I agree that Lucas was superb. Three superb defenders and one world class defender is something all teams could only wish for. We have them. If Lucas keeps his head up, he’s going to be one of the best defenders in the world. He plays as if he’s been doing it for as long as Godin. Both of the Hernandez brothers are excellent at their respective positions and that is only good for Atletico.

  • Roberto

    Atleti shall buy alves in winter! Then they will win the champions this year! Oblak shal stay the number 1. alves plays the cup games and comes in for penalty shoot outs. This investment would be a result oriented one, and it would make sense. Atleti plays allways close games beginning in the round of 16. they do it against the best teams of the world and against minor teams. Thus, winning the champions without passing a penalty shootout is extremely unlikely.

  • SherbetDip

    Why is Ganeiro an 8 and more to the point why isn’t Torres a 7? If it wasn’t for his game-changing introduction the team might have lost.

  • SherbetDip

    and Griezmann’s goal was only courtesy of Torres. Seems he gets a 7 whatever he does.

  • Kris

    I really wish things worked that way, Roberto.

  • AndersAT

    Wow Real Madrid is kind of fucked up right now. I like it a lot. Who would have thought after our two first matches, that we already would have caught up again.

    Great day so far.

  • Atletico fans of Belgium🇧🇪

    Great by Gameiro. Fantastic run at the end of the game !
    He’s our perfect number 9 even though he doesn’t score a lot he contribute much to the team. Aupa Atleti 👌🏻

  • Billy

    Gameiro got a goal, assist and worked hard all game, he was our most decisive player. Griezmann scored the vital first goal, won a penalty and was involved throughout. I think both ratings are fair.

  • Mitch

    Today must be my the other Birthday! I knew it when we missed 2 penalties and yet still won by two goals. RM dropped two points and Barcelona is in the hole now 3 – 0 and the 1st half not even done yet!

  • colmiak

    La Liga es Rojiblanca! Aupa Atleti!

  • colmiak

    The fact that this is on goal difference is just icing on the cake! An Atletico with an attack as good or better than other top two in Spain.

    Amazing.

  • SherbetDip

    ok but why Torres only 6 when he was so involved.

  • Usavicente Calderon

    No
    worries about the penalties. Alves has the record for all time in La
    Liga of saving penalties. Lets just give credit where credit is due and
    leave it at that. Both shots were on target and would have scored
    anywhere else.

  • Paweł Kosiński

    We could’ve as well converted both penalties and won 4-0. No point “iffing”. 2-0 is an absolutely fair result reflecting exactly what happened on the pitch.

  • Ahmad Hossainy

    Both shots were poor, many people keep saying that Grizi’s shot was good but Alves made a great save, but when you watch on replay you an see that it was almost at the middle of the goal .

  • Koke

    I had actually never thought about it but having Diego Alves as our reserve keeper could prove really useful. Imagine if we could have subbed him on in the last minutes of the Champion’s League final. I don’t know if he’d be easy to get though, or if he’d want to play so little, or if we need a reserve goalie now…

  • Koke

    Top of La Liga! What a great week/weekend. After the first two matchdays everything seemed so bleak but I honestly am happy those draws happened because I think it was the sign Simeone needed to start fielding a more attack minded, creative Atleti (we are playing a more complete game than I have ever seen before under him.) I really think La Liga is wide open this year, not even to just the big 3 but maybe even Sevilla or other surprise contenders. Barca and Madrid are not convincing – Barca has a shit defense and is Messi-reliant whereas Zidane is showing he’s still inexperienced. Both teams will drop plenty of points this season (not saying that we won’t either!) and whoever wins the league will not have an astronomical amount of points like in previous seasons. I think we have every reason to consider ourselves strong candidates for both the League and the Champion’s League.

    I only watched the highlights but I’m glad for another victory today. Gameiro is the man. I still think he’s one of the best strikers we could have asked for (who else besides Costa and him could we have actually signed?) and I think as he gets more and more confident he will develop into a real monster. He’s special because like Costa he creates chances for himself. How many other players can make that kind of run he did for his goal in the 90th minute after playing the whole game? He’s so damn fast and tricky. The only thing I could want more from him is to improve his finishing, because he’s missed some sitters this season so far but it happens to many strikers. I think he will find his feet, unlike Jackson and Vietto.

    I think Saul needs a bit of a rest. I am a huge fan of his but I don’t think he has been playing quite as well this season so far as we have come to expect from him – not that he’s been bad, he just isn’t making as huge an impact on the game when playing attacking mid. He should play Gabi’s position more often, or rotate with Gaitan. I would love to see a Koke-Gabi-Gaitan midfield, with 3 forwards in front of them.

  • Ahmad Hossainy

    Three draws in a row for Real Madrid, four with the one against BVB, that should have been a defeat .
    Boy, do I look very stupid or what !!

    Or do I look smart ?! because I talked several times about how bad they are under pressure and how a negative result brings another negative result and another one until they have a nice negative streak .
    Although this draw against Eibar at the Bernabeu is still a surprise for me, I though it would stop at the 3 yellow teams .
    Zidane is nothing in the world of coaching, he just has a good team, just like de Matteo did in 2012, and now Zidane is getting exposed, and he could be sacked soon, Florentino can sack anybody .

    Barca don’t surprise me, however, their defense -along with Guardiola’s teams- were always vulnerable, I said that about his Bayern last season when someone here claimed before our game at the Calderon that they have a strong defense, then Saul did what he did, while now his Man City has conceded 5 goals in the last 2 games, and they haven’t played against Barca yet .
    I even believe that Barca can be more vulnerable defensively, remember when I talked about Savic after we signed him and said that I watched all his games with Fiorentina in his last 6 months because my compatriot Mohamed Salah was playing there, now Salah plays at Roma, where Lucas Digne played last season, so I also watched almost all his games, and I can tell you, he is a disaster .
    Yeah, he is good with passing and dribbling and all that shit that all Barca players (and also Pep’s players) must do, even GKs -which cost them many goals, like the 4th goal in Vigo tonight- but defensively, the kid is horrible . Our Lucas is a much better LB, despite that it’s not his natural position .
    Sergi Roberto -who has been getting a lot of praise lately- is also as bad as him, just go and watch again our penalty against Barca in UCL last season, he lost the ball to Filipe then he just fucking stopped, while Arda -who learned real football at Atleti- ran back and was inside the box when Rizzoli called the penalty .
    I was watching some videos on Arsenal fans TV few days ago and heard one of the fans say that “Bellerin has to remember that a fullback is a defender in the first place”
    Roberto & Digne forget that too, maybe Roberto haven’t even been taught that !!
    Barca will concede many goals this season, but let’s see if the MSN can compensate for that .

    Atleti is the most complete team in Spain and maybe in Europe this season .
    And do I dare to say that this Atleti is better than the one of 2013/14 ?!
    Of course except those two games against Alaves and Leganes, which actually look two great games to me right now and I will never forget them, they were a big turning point for Simeone, and maybe if we were lucky -as we were many times last season- and won those two games 1-0 maybe nothing would have changed .
    Is this Atleti able to achieve big things, like winning the triple, or is it still too early to judge them ?!
    I mean almost everybody -not just Atleti fans- believed that if we improved a little bit offensively we will be unstoppable, because our defense is INSANELY great, our records in la Liga and in UCL are almost unreal, 18 goals conceded in 38 La Liga games last season, in a league that have the MSN and the BBC !!
    And now we did improve in the attack, and not just a little bit, but too much, 4 goals in Vigo, 5 against Gijon, we should have scored 3 against Bayern with Torres’s header that hit the post and with Grizi’s penalty, again, we were so close to beat great Bayern 3-0, and we should have won 4-0 today, at Mestalla, which will always be Mestalla, a very difficult stadium no matter in what form Valencia are .

    We had a very obvious problem that should have never been masked by all those 1-0 wins or those shootout wins, and the solution was more obvious, play with only 2 CMs, with Koke one of them, and let the very skillful Correa, Carrasco and now Gaitan do what they know to do, tear defenses apart . Sometime football can be that simple .
    I watch a lot of football, and for more than a year I kept asking myself : why can’t we play a beautiful, attacking fluid football like Dortmund, Roma & Tottenham, we have attacking players with the same quality as theirs, if not better, but -unlike them- we have a very strong defense, that I never doubted even for a second that it will get weaker if we became less conservative .

    I’m very fucking happy, not just for Atleti, but maybe even more for Simeone, the man deserves that, and I wasn’t enjoying it when I was criticizing him, it hurt so badly, but I had to do it, because I’m an ATLETICO DE MADRID fan at the first place, a club so big that even a great coach like Simeone can’t be immune against criticism or to have them in his debt, he didn’t win 13 league titles out of 20 like Ser Alex did with Man Utd, nor did he win our only league title like Ranieri did with Leicester .
    I know Ringo, I’m being “arrogant and disrespectful” in your opinion, and I don’t care .
    In fact, I believe that any Atleti fan who doesn’t see this club in this way that you call “arrogance” is not a true fan of this great club and doesn’t know shit about it .

  • Maura

    A little bit late to the party, but here are my observations (this is long):
    1. Atletico seemed to start off sluggishly against Valencia. The team looked sluggish in the beginning. There was probably residual tiredness from the intense game with Bayern earlier in the week. But once Atletico got going, it was definitely the better team.
    2. It was good to see Oblak getting some action. He was the most underrated goalkeeper in Europe last season. Many people said that the only reason he got so many clean sheets last season was because of the back line. But he also made some great saves, which seem to be overlooked. Two goals conceded in all competitions (9 games in La Liga and UCL combined) is amazing. That is one goal conceded approximately every 405 minutes of play!
    3. Lucas Hernandez is amazing! As was said above, Lucas and Stefan Savic played yesterday like they were a regular CB pair. Lucas plays above his years and he can also play LB in an emergency. With Lucas, Savic, Gimenez, and Godin, Atletico has 4 of the very best, and most underrated, CBs in Europe.
    4. This is a crazy idea for taking penalties, but why not have somebody totally unusual take them? Most goalies study the “usual suspects” and know their tendencies on PKs. But why not have somebody that a goalie does not expect, like Filipe Luis or Koke, take penalties?
    5. Kevin Gameiro is coming along nicely. He already has three times more goals in La Liga play than Vietto had last season and is starting to click with the team.
    6. Fernando Torres may be past his peak, but he still has a lot to contribute to the team. He did not have the assist on Griezmann’s goal yesterday, but he was instrumental in setting it up. Someone with his experience would also serve as a valuable mentor to younger team members like Angel Correa. In fact, Torres and Correa have made a great duo in a couple of games.
    7. Atletico has really improved its offence from last season and has become one of the most formidable teams in Europe. I watched the Atletico-Bayern match on German TV (I live in Germany) and the commentator said that Atletico is one of the teams that the other clubs in UCL dread getting in the group or knockout stage draws. He also said that playing against Atletico is like a visit to the dentist!
    8. Last but not least…Atletico is at the top of the table in La Liga! What is even more amazing Atletico has a better goal differential than Real! Who would have thought that?

  • Roberto

    Yes, we need one. Without competition oblak will get lazy and too selfish. Now diego alves is mightnbe quite expensive and full of expectations, in summer it would have been easier – at that time diego alves was even in Valencia not the fix number one. Anyway, hiting a real penalty killer as reserve goalie, would level up the likelyhood to win the champions by 20 % at least! I write this in several forums allready for 2 years, but cholo,does not act ;). With a penalty killer on the bench, we would not talk about that issue today, because atletico would be the acting champion of europe. 2,3 of the 5 real madrid penalties were absolutely saveable, if the goalie makes the right Decissions, and to save only one, would have held us in business.

  • Maura

    We also need a good reserve goalie in case Oblak gets injured and cannot play for any amount of time. Of course I hope that Oblak stays healthy and uninjured. But you never know when something can happen and you want a good backup goalie.

  • Jeronamo Pakor Jones

    I really wasn’t going to say anything but just the fact that I’m getting everything i asked for finally has me happy (except Oliver isn’t around for it).

    You and a couple others all agreed with me while we were complaining and critisizing Simeone on his pleasure to play 4 cdm type players at a time and now that he’s changed that we can’t complain, all we can o is praise. I was beginning to fear that he would never change but those two draws really did help give him the good kick in the ass he needed.

    We’re much better than Spurs… I agree on the Dortmund bit tho, that’s actually been the closest team to what we play except we’re better defensively while they were better offensively.

    Let me add that I’ve been telling my friends lately that this is actually the best football I’ve ever seen Atleti play since i started supporting them, I have zero complaints about the way we play now honestly we just have to get our penalty situation in order

  • Jeronamo Pakor Jones

    I would appreciate if people stopped comparing Gameiro with Jackson and Vietto last season and saying he’s already better, Of course he is. Last season our team wasn’t playing like this and our strikers were feeding off scraps, Jackson hardly had one on one opportunities and he wasn’t starting regularly either plus he had just come from an entirely different league, If Vietto was being played in this system I’m sure he would have grabbed a couple too.
    Stop bashing those guys with the circumstances they were made to play under

  • roberto

    You are right. And for this purpose Diego Alves would be also a very fine option. He was rotated several times at VFC and he was able to play strong, even when he did not play some previous games. Moreira – I don t know him. Moya is limited in his reaching area of his hands. exact shots close to the post, even from a broad distance are a goal. Also at high flying corner-balls he is quite unsafe. And this is for a team, whose tactic is based on a solid defensive work a big disadvantage.

  • AnonX

    No worries mate, we all (Ringo included) love this Club first and foremost than anything else (in sports). This badge represents the All of Us fans, coach, players and club in cohesion and passion which differentiates us from most of the others in the world.

  • Alfred Rodriguez

    I think I learned multiple things on Sunday. The first is that while Correa looks good on the field, he may be more dangerous as a sub for now, the same might be said for Carrasco. The second is that their is no perfect penalty taker. We can keep suggesting someone new until they miss where the next person will claim that so in so is the perfect option, I think this debate is silly. What is a good thing about our “problem” is that while we have missed penalties, we are also being awarded more than prior years. Perhaps this shows that Atleti are more dangerous in the box this year. I think my next observation is knit picky but something I have seen multiple times this year. Gameiro has eye to goal, and this is not a bad thing since all strikers should have a scoring instinct, but he has had a wide open option multiple times and instead tried to do it himself. I think this is the difference between him and Correa. Correa goes to goal but he will pass it if he thinks someone has a better chance. Gameiro has had a trailing Torres who had a wide open goal atleast 3 times this season but instead went for the shot and missed. If Gameiro would have missed that last goal he scored, which I feel was lower % than a trailing Torres had, I think I would have pulled my hair out. I see why a striker should keep his eyes to goal, but sometimes you need to be unselfish. The final observation I think is the the big one. I think we finally learned that Simeone is not afraid of playing three strikers at once. He started with Correa, Griezmann, and Gameiro, then he later had Torres, Griezmann, and Gameiro on the same field for 17 minutes. I never would have thought the ladder of the three would EVER play at the same time, and this is the second time Simeone does it (played the three for 7 minutes against Bayern). It will be interesting to see what lineup Simeone uses consistently moving forward.

  • Kris

    You have to understand that we spent big money on Gameiro and he knows what the club and fans expect of him. He was an alternative to Costa, who in his tenure with Atletico scored a fuckton of goals, and the same would have been expected of him had he returned. Gameiro has just been trying to live up to his expectations and as you suggest, might be trying too hard(which I don’t agree with). He hasn’t been scoring the most amount of goals and had a couple of frustrating games in which he missed many chances. I think it’s good that the striker is looking to score goals for himself when he knows the team needs him to. Had it been a midfielder doing what you suggest Gameiro is doing, I would feel the same way as you feel right now.

    And, I don’t think him being selfish is the biggest problem: he has three assists this season. Without any fact checks, that’s probably more than any other player in the team so far The problem I think that should be brought up instead is his inability to be clinical in front of goal. He gets in to such great positions and misses in one on one situations. I don’t know whether the reason for that is his confidence or his sheer inability to convert chances. I think and hope it’s the former and I am sure he will improve upon this aspect of the game. After that goal yesterday and his recent performances, I am sure his confidence has gone high up. I trust him very much and I believe the players,managers, and the fans also need to trust him to bang goals in left and right from now on.

    One more thing I want to say is, if Carrasco and Correa both can’t provide anything at the moment while starting, why don’t we start with Gaitan? I mean this guy has been starting games for years now and he knows how to play a full 90′. He also has tremendous quality that we may be missing at the moment at creating more clear-cut chances. I’m saying that the 25 million euros Gaitan knows how to play ball at the peak of his career and should be starting every game for Atletico.

  • Kris

    I think Gameiro is better suited at playing the game Simeone wants than are Jackson and Vietto. Don’t get me wrong — it’s the system that works, but the system also demands some specific talents that Jackson and Vietto didn’t seem to possess at the time.

  • Ahmad Hossainy

    I don’t think we will drop many points this season, we don’t concede many goals, this is a well-known fact to the whole world, so usually only one goal is enough to give us all the three points, I can’t imagine us scoring three goals and getting zero points like Barca did last night, or score two and get one point like Real did in Las Palmas.

    Even last season with all the complaints from you, me, Jeronamo and others, we finished just 3 points behind Barca the champions, thanks to our defense and to Grizi’s goals .
    Now we have even a stronger defense with Savic getting more used to the team and to La Liga and Lucas getting more experience, and with Koke in the center, and we have a much much stronger attack and a much bolder coach, we are scoring many goals, creating many chances and winning many penalties .

    I believe we are the favorite this season, and to give people a glimpse of hope, here is something I guess many of them have missed :
    This is THE FIRST TIME we take the lead since we won La Liga in 2014, except for 3 weeks last season (18, 19, 20) when we were at the top of the table with 2 points ahead of Barca but they had one game in hand because they went to Japan for the Club World Cup .

    We just need to stay humble, we will need some luck, and we must take it as we did in 2013/14 : partido a partido .

    Couple of weeks ago someone said that I see the negative in everything, now what do you think about this positivity ?!
    It’s not negativity or positivity, it’s called reality and perspective .

    B.S, Sevilla haven’t won an away La Liga game of the last 22, they will never fight for the title, rather than winning it, and if Villarreal and Athletic can keep their consistency, I think Sevilla won’t even finish in top 4 .

  • Alfred Rodriguez

    I was thinking that exactly about Gaitain. Gaitan is not going to come into a game and provide the spark Carrasco or Correa will, he is just a different kind of talent. You start Gaitan and if the game is still in a lul by the second half, bring in Correa and/or Carrasco.

  • Ahmad Hossainy

    No, I don’t think Ringo is happy with the “Atleti are not Leicester” thing, he never was .
    I hate using this phrase in the first place, so imagine how I fell when some Atleti fans argue with it !!
    Even Chelsea fans don’t feel the need to use it, although they are not so bigger than Leicester, before Mourinho they had only one league title, in 1955.

    I’m so tired of telling “Atleti fans” that we have NEVER been a small club, we just had some problems -mainly managerial ones- for ONLY 8 years .
    I shouldn’t have needed to tell them that, I should have saved the time and the energy to tell that to the 90s and the millennial kids who are fans of Messi & Ronaldo, not even Barca and Real .

    Look at this tweet that the twitter account of this website -that is called “Ateltico Fans”- has retweeted :
    https://twitter.com/ChelseaRumours/status/782685110843936768

    We should have never read this bullshit on any account that belongs to an Atletico Madrid fan .
    We won’t be beating the odds if we won La Liga this season like those assholes Chelsea fans suggest, how the fuck is winning your ELEVENTH league title could be called “defying the odds”, and with the most complete team in Spain and Europe this season, the 5th most valued squad in Europe (players values in the transfer market) according to many sports websites .

    We are the fucking favorites this season, just like we were TENS of times, in both far and near history .
    But some people still don’t know that .

  • Ahmad Hossainy

    If you don’t like Carrasco or Correa as starters then I guess you want Gaitan, he is not a bad option, and he really deserves more minutes, but in some games -many games actually- we will need an extra attacking player with Grizi, Gameiro & Gaitan in front of 2 CMs, Koke-Gabi or Koke-Saul, and Carrasco & Correa are our only options since we let Oliver go .

    I never believed that some players are better off the bench, a good player is a good player either as a starter or as a sub .
    The only type pf players who is better as a sub is an old and experienced one, someone in his late thirties who can make a difference but can only play 20 or 30 minutes .

    Gameiro seems selfish sometimes, but I guess strikers are supposed to be selfish in most situations, I think if Correa was selfish in some of his chances last seasons he could have scored 2 or 3 more goals .
    I think Gameiro will be less selfish when he has scored 7 or 8 goals, but right now he needs goals and he is searching for them .
    And despite that, he is our top assistant, I actually wasn’t aware of that until Kris mentioned it, I thought Koke had more, then I checked it, and he was right, and I think Gameiro isn’t getting enough credit for that .

    Actually, there are some perfect penalty taker, we had one of them few years ago, Falcao (fuck you Jorge Mendes for ruining his career), he had a 100% record, he scored all his penalties with us, 8 if I remember correctly .
    Raul Garcia also had a 100% record, although he only took 3, but all of them were very difficult as I mentioned couple of days ago .
    But if you don’t have a “perfect” penalty taker then at least you should choose a “good” one, some one with good record, like the 9/10 of Gameiro or the 7/8 of Gabi, and it’s just stupid to stick with one with 2/7 record like Grizi or 5/10 like Costa .
    Team is above individuals, helping the team is more important than helping your striker to win the pichichi or to keep him happy or whatever Simeone had .

    Simeone did play with 3 strikers several times, even in the last two seasons when some of us were criticizing him, he played with Torres-Mandzukic-Griezmann, with Griezmann-Jackson-Vietto, and with Griezmann-Torres-Vietto .
    But personally, I wasn’t asking for 3 strikers, I was asking for more creative players on the pitch, Grizi, Correa and Gameiro all can crate chances, they all did against Valencia, including Correa that you seem didn’t like him in that game, he created couple of real scoring chances and he won the first penalty .
    On the other hand, some of the 3-strikers combinations he used in the last two seasons didn’t work very well, because they lacked creativity .

  • Paweł Kosiński

    I don’t think Sevilla are ready just yet. Sure – 4th is up for grabs, but they’re no contender by any means. Ben Yedder is their only forward in-form, while the denfence is all over the place. Sampaoli hasn’t yet found his perfect system and starting XI.

    Forget the 6-4 win over Espanyol, none of their victories were convincing. They rode their luck on multiple occasions this season (for example the recent 1-0 win over Betis, who saw their goal wrongly disallowed) and seem absolutely unbalanced.

  • Paweł Kosiński

    I just hope from now on we’ll be going for power, not precision.

  • Karlp

    Theo Hernandez http://bit.ly/2dYR4KH

  • Ahmad Hossainy

    I’m a big fan of power in penalties too .
    Pick a corner, give it a powerful shot, and the GK will have no chance .
    That’s what Raul Garcia did against Real & Barca in Copa del Rey 2015, both Keylor & ter Stegen picked the correct corner, but they couldn’t do anything, it’s basic physics .

    Penalties are to be scored, missing should be the exception .
    Few months ago while we were praying Eid prayer at a football pitch, my uncle -who knows very little about football- looked at the 7.32 meter goal, then looked at me and said : “how come players miss penalties in a goal that big ?!”.
    They actually shouldn’t, and the main reason they miss is psychological, and that can not be fixed by training, because you don’t train in a full stadium and at a semifinal or a final game .

  • Ahmad Hossainy

    I want to talk about this discussion about signing Diego Alves for when we have to play shootout :
    First : I’ve seen this a lot, and it usually doesn’t work, it’s more of a psychological trick and a minds game .
    I remember one game when a coach substituted his GK before the shootout but the other GK who was so good with penalties didn’t make a single save and his team lost, can’t remember exactly what game was it but I remember that we were laughing at him .

    And Second : Oblak is NOT bad at penalties, yes, he only made one save in the 18 shots he received in our 3 shootouts in UCL, but :
    1- Some of the shots were so good and almost impossible to save, like those of Rolfes, Castro, Guardado, Bruma & Lestienne . (I can’t remember most of the shootout of the final, I only watched it once and I will not watch it again, too painful) .
    In fact, I think Oblak would have saved some of our own shots against PSV, especially those from Gabi, Koke and Saul, all weren’t so great and we were lucky they went in .
    2- Three of those penalties against Oblak were off target or hit the bar .
    3- How many saves did Zoet and Keylor make in those shootout ?! None .

    And you must know that shootout is a totally different story than the penalties during the game, completely different factors and circumstances, look at Grizi, despite his horrible penalty record with us, he has a 100% record in shootout, he scored against Bayer, PSV and Real Madrid, and he took the first penalty in the last two games .

    So, what about Oblak’s penalty record apart from shootout ?!
    With Atleti, he received 4, against Barca, Valencia, Bayern & PSV, he saved 3 of them, 75% success rate, much better than Alves’s 48% . And the 3 he saved were all away, where it’s harder for the GK and a little easier for the penalty taker .
    Of course you can’t compare 4 penalties to 45, that’s what Alves faced (in all competitions), but it’s not Oblak’s fault that his defense is strong and cautious and don’t commit many penalties, on the other hand, 45 penalties are a lot, even in 10 seasons, and that’s another point : while this is Alves’s 10th season in Spain, it’s only the 3rd for Oblak .

    I can’t believe some people are seriously considering signing Alves to help us win the Champions League, we are not that desperate and impotent, we have a much stronger attack this season and I don’t think we will play shootout again .
    And if we did, we have Oblak .

    Last thing, and I don’t mean to take any credit from Alves, his record is impressive, but there are 2 factors that have been helping him :
    1- He usually takes a step forward during the penalty, which is not allowed .
    2- The penalty takers have been helping him, many of the penalties he saved were awfully played, like the two last Sunday and like almost all the ones in this video, where you can also see the one or two steps forward he takes before the penalty is played .

    And what the fuck was Diego Costa doing in that penalty !!!
    And what the fuck was that, Siqueira !!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn1ARmW8NYo

  • Alfred Rodriguez

    One week ago you were convinced our best pk taker was Gabi over Griezmann, then you threw out stats and said Gameiro. If Gameiro misses, do you propose someone else? This is why I think this debate is silly. You don’t want to keep giving Griezmann another shot at a pk because of his ineffectiveness according to his stats but you want to keep giving Correa starts so he can break out of his ineffectiveness, according to his starting stats, as a starter…where is the validity there?

  • Alfred Rodriguez

    So you think “the main reason they miss is psychological.” Then answer this, when Griezmann and Gabi missed their penalty against Valencia is it because their nerves could not handle THAT moment but in the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FINAL SHOOTOUT they did handle their nerves? So did their nerves get the best of them in a league game and not a final shootout? I mean look at Griezmann, he missed one earlier in that final game, then makes his second chance in the shootout. I would imagine that second penalty kick would make one more nervous than the first. You mentioned Raul Garcia being ice as a penalty taker. I was in attendance when Raul Garcia hit the post and missed a penalty shot in an exhibition game. I don’t think his miss was psychological, perhaps more physiological on where he struck the ball.

    There is also another variable you are missing, the goalie. I think its a cop out to say when a goalies saves a penalty that “nerves played an issue” but when the player makes it didn’t. Both shots would have gone in if the goalie gets frozen but Diego Alves guessed right on the two and made a pair of good saves. Yes a player has an advantage to score but some goalies are really good at reading where a player is going before the shot is taken and this is also a skill that plays a role in the outcome. I know you like stats, here is one, Griezmann is 100% in scoring the second penalty kick after he has misses one in the same game. Talk about a cool player. 😉

  • Alfred Rodriguez

    But with that said I love reading your comments so don’t take this the wrong way. People just have different ways of viewing things.

  • Ahmad Hossainy

    I also “threw out” stats about Gabi in this very comment you just replied to, didn’t I ?!
    And I still want him as one of our penalty takers, if not the first then maybe the second or the third, in case one or both of Gameiro and Torres aren’t on the pitch .
    Unless Simeone is thinking about someone other than those three.

    “keep giving Correa starts”, this phrase is only correct if he is already getting starts, which he is not .
    Correa started only 14 games with Atleti, and judging him by this very small number is stupid, he is a very talented, very promising and very young player and he needs and he deserves to start as many games as possible, and branding him as a”sub player” is wrong in too many ways .
    He will never accept to be a super sup, and if he didn’t start to get more chances he will ask to leave, and he will has the right .

    If you have a problem with me then take it on me, I’m a big guy, but don’t take it on the kid just to prove me wrong .

    When Grizi missed the penalty against Valencia someone commented that “he knew Grizi will miss” and I replied to him “me too”, then when Gabi missed you replied to me “U knew Gabi would miss too ?” .
    Grow up .

  • Alfred Rodriguez

    You treat everyone in this thread like you are the know it all of Atleti, and while it maybe so, some of your claims are going to be challenged. I studied philosophy at the university, so I don’t bite on every premise a person makes. You said in a post, “And you must know that shootout is a totally different story than the penalties during the game, completely different factors and circumstances.” Most people will wonder how? But you did not explain how. I played competitive soccer for over 20 years, and I am the first to tell you that a game penalty shot has considerably less stress than a shootout, why? BECAUSE a penalty shot in game does not have the same sense of fate like a penalty shootout does. Your body knows how important a penalty shootout shot is since you get that one chance only, there is no rebound or a second half to make up for it if you miss. I was one of those players that hated a penalty shootout. I was always nervous but I can’t remember ever missing a shot. But the only reason you made that comment is because you knew that your argument, that Griezmann should not take penalty shots IN GAME because its is clear his converting percentage is proof he is psychologically affected, would be contradicted by his shootout percentage. It is smart to know where your premises can be attacked from, but one must be smart and CONVINCE the reader why such a claim can be considered true.

    Perhaps I am a little too grown up for you.

  • jodo

    It’s alright Alfred, just let it lie. I stopped taking AH too seriously when he moaned ATM’s season was over after two draws. And look at the table now. It’s a long season and there will be many twists and turns. Let’s see how Barca and RM do when they recover their superstars from injuries. Even if Ronaldo is playing, he’s clearly not fit.

    I read and enjoy AH’s comments, but have to skip his posts when he goes into superfan know it all mode. He’s a big and knowledgeable ATM fan but sometimes he’s so full of hot air, you wonder if he’ll drift off into deep space soon. Better invest in an anchor.

  • Alfred Rodriguez

    Will do.

  • Ahmad Hossainy

    I really don’t give a shit what you think of me or if you read my posts or not, both of you .
    I will not reply to those silly accusations, I have read them before and I probably will read them again .

    But there is one thing I will not let it go : the lies .
    I never said “our season is over” after the first two draws, just like I never said “Saul is overrated” or change my mind about Gabi as a penalty taker after his miss against Valencia like Alfred said .

    Stop lying, stop putting words on my mouth, please .
    Thank you .

  • Alfred Rodriguez

    I wanted to drop this but calling me a liar deserves a response. The term overrated refers to “assessing too highly of something.” I am sure you know that, so let me continue. How many times have you questioned Simeone for playing Saul over other players like Oliver Torres? You have questioned his passing, and his playstyle have you not? Did you not say “the kid has been spoiled, benching Oliver, Carrasco, Correa & Gaitan, getting the captain armband against Rayo last season, getting the number 8 shirt this season… When Saul scored his golazo against Bayern, the first thing I said was : fuck, now he will never be benched.” Maybe you never said in exact words “Saul is overrated” but you have repeatedly insinuated he is overrated by these kind of comments you have made.

    Mic Drop!

  • Kris

    @AhmadHossainy:disqus @Lospatosatletico:disqus @disqus_BiVsK5jIB3:disqus should fuck right off the comments section if you’re not going to contribute anything Atletico or even football-related. Nobody gives a shit about your online rivalry on who’s right, who’s wrong. I hate censoring, but the moderators on here with the ability to delete comments should delete this whole comment chain for attacking each other personally and calling names to each other. We need a good environment on here and negativity, especially toward a fellow Atletico should be discouraged. @disqus_EGgzl1vk0v:disqus who seems to be the only one posting articles to this website anymore should delete these comments that contain personal attacks.

  • Ahmad Hossainy

    For a good and respectful person like you Kris I will say I am sorry if this made you uncomfortable .

    But tell me what to do ?! after the win against PSV, a very important away win and a massive 3 points in a very difficult group and against an opponent that we failed to score against in 210 minutes last season, what was the first comment in this website ?!
    “Waiting for Ahmad Hossainy’s post of how much he still thinks Saul is overrated” from Alfred, and everybody knows I never said that .

    What should I do ?!
    I wish the moderators delete those kind of comments, but they will not, they didn’t delete the political replies I used to receive in the last couple of years, about Israel, about Egypt’s coup and other stuff, and I had to remove the link of my twitter account from my disqus account .
    Once I was called a ladyboy, and they didn’t delete it either .

    I am sorry again, but I just can’t let people lie about me, I won’t let them do that .

  • Kris

    It does make me uncomfortable, but I am sure it makes neutral visitors and even visitors of our rival clubs more uncomfortable. We want discussions on here regarding this great club and this great era of Atletico that we are all so lucky to be experiencing. This website has grown over the years. It has grown massively since the first time I found it, through active discussions about the club. People like you, Ringo, Jeronamo, Chewie, Alfred have all made it very interactive and it has for the most part been a great place to express our opinions regarding the club. Speaking for myself, who among my inner circle is the only one that religiously follows the club.

    I would like for interaction to continue on here, where we can all express our opinions about the club without denouncing others. The comment section should be clean and respectful of other Colchoneros who may have different views than ourselves. We can argue all we want, but also respectfully agree to disagree. It should be like talking to another person face to face about football, where if there’s a disagreement, we don’t resort to personal insults. Negativity is toxic man, we don’t want people who visit this fan site to fear that if they say something, they might be personally attacked. We want people to keep coming back in an environment where people like myself, who have nobody else to talk to about Atletico, can speak freely on here.

  • Alfred Rodriguez

    You are right. Appologies.

  • Ahmad Hossainy

    I don’t disagree with anything you said, but again, what do you want me to do when someone claims that I said “our season is over” after our first two draws ?!

    What should I do when someone keep lecturing me about the relation between nerves and penalties and about using statistics when choosing the penalty taker like I’m the one who invented those two theories, the whole football world was talking about them over the last few days !!

    You want us to have discussion “regarding this great club” ?!
    Well, I have been attacked for calling this club “great” and refused to treat it like Leicester City .

    When I defended this club after someone posted here that “we will fight to avoid relegation after Simeone” I was attacked and called awful names, and nobody defended me or this great club .

    Alfred keep trolling me then he says “But with that said I love reading your comments”, seriously !!
    If they were jokes, then I must tell you that I don’t have a sense of humor .
    He did say before that he loves to see Correa starts alongside Griezmann, but when I ask for the same thing he starts arguing with me and attack my stupid statistics .

    Some people are obviously obsessed with me, it’ just too wrong that after a great win against PSV the first comment here is about me .

    Some people keep calling me “arrogant” and “super fan” and ‘know it all”, why ?!
    Because I post long comments with detailed analysis ?!
    You all can do that too, but there are some people here who almost never post an original comment, almost all their comments are replies, and most of them are for me .
    I am an idiot, few days ago I said to you Kris that I didn’t realize that Gameiro is our top assistant this season .
    I never claimed that I’m the smartest or the most knowledgeable one here .

    Jeronamo, @Koke and others shared the exact same opinion of mine about Simeone’s 4CMs, but no one attacked them and lied about them and claimed that they said “our season is over” .
    Other people like Mrtn -if I’m not mistaken- was even more harsh on Simeone than any of us, he said he needs to hire an assistant who understands attacking football to train our players on it because Simeone can’t, then at the end of the season he asked to replace him with Emery or with some other coaches , he said that our players can’t make one-twos and other basic attacking skills because Simeone doesn’t train them on it and doesn’t know how to train them on it .
    Nobody said anything for Mrtn .

    I don’t want to play the victim here, but I don’t know why is this keep happening to me every season ?!
    And it’s not the first time this season .

    If some people don’t want me here then just say the word, and you will never see me again .

  • Maura

    Kris, I agree 100% with what you said. Like you, I am the only person in my inner circle who follows Atletico. I recently found this site and it is disappointing to see fellow Atletico fans calling each other names and insulting each other. We will have our disagreements, for example, about who should take penalty kicks or if Correa should be a starter or stay a substitute. If we all had the same opinion about everything, it would would be boring and there would be no discussion. But as a new person to this site, it is a turnoff when disagreements are uncivil. People can disagree with each other and still be respectful.

  • Roberto

    Why was Oblak so passiv in the Shootout in Milan? This is the Slovenia-Bane of the Spanish Teams, which want to win the Champions League and are not called FC BArca or Real Madrid. Do You remember the final in 2001, when Valencia lost in the Shoot Outs agains Bayern? It was 1:1 and Zahovic form Slowenia wasted in minute number 92 one of the biggest Chances I have ever seen not being capitalized in all my live watching football games. It would have been the Cahmpions league winning goal for VCF. Then I think also Atleti would have allready won a title. Because the Real MAdrid and Barca Hegonomy is also in a way a bane for spanish football, being continued also in the Champions league in a very cruel way in not letting a 3rd spanish team winning the Champions league final, while Barca and Real are winning each final they play since the year 1998. Look at that – statistic since 1998: 4 Finals Barca – 4 wins, 5 Finals Real MAdrid – 5 wins, 2 Finals Atleti – 2 losses, 2 Finals Valencia – 2 losses — this is a completely cleen statistic, allmoast against all rules of likelyhood.

  • Karlp

    Tbf, if you see the penalties again, Oblak pick the wrong sides 4 out of the 5 penalties, which probably why he didn’t move. You can see in the way his feet bends.

    But penalties are influenced by so many factors, especially in a final like this. And as a viewer, I think that any analysis that I give will just undermined all their work until then, just to judge it on an instant moment like penalties.

    On the other hand, Simeone’s decision to slow the tempo after the equalizer is also a debatable one. But remembering how Madrid scored 3 in the ET when we played a bit open on the prev final, I understand his decision. After all, either way he choose is still a big gamble.

    So, as a fan, I’m sad of the result, but I’m very2 proud for what they have achieved.

  • Karlp

    Tbf, if you see the penalties again, Oblak pick the wrong sides 4 out of the 5 penalties, which probably why he didn’t move. You can see in the way his feet bends.

    But penalties are influenced by so many factors and very difficult to judged, especially in a final like this. And as a viewer, I think that any comments that I give will just undermined all their work until then, just to judge it on an instant moment like penalties.

    On the other hand, Simeone’s decision to slow the tempo after the equalizer is also a debatable one. But remembering how Madrid scored 3 in the ET when we played a bit open on the prev final, I understand his decision. After all, either decision is still a big gamble.

    Btw, I don’t think we shouldn’t feel too sorry for either Atleti or VCF. They both lost fair and square every time. Better luck next time

  • Karlp

    tbf, if you look at the penalties again, Oblak pick the wrong sides 4 out of the 5 pens, probably that’s why he didn’t move. You can see at the way his feet bends.

    But penalties are determined by many factors and very difficult to judge, especially in a final like this. As a viewer, I probably shouldn’t comment on it too much, since it might just undermined the teams work till then, by judging it on an instant moment like penalties.

    I won’t feel too sorry for either Atleti or VCF. Both lost fair and square each time. Better luck next time.