Underwhelming Atlético draw blank again at Leganés

Rojiblancos fail to perform and drop further points against La Liga newcomers

Koke had a game to forget against los Pepineros

Koke had a game to forget against los Pepineros

Atlético Madrid were left frustrated again on Saturday night, as new boys Leganés held them to a 0-0 draw in the first ever Primera División match at the Municipal de Butarque.

Like Alavés last week, the hosts sat back and invited Atleti to try and break them down but once again, Cholo’s men were unable to turn any of their chances into a winning goal.

However, unlike in our opening match we didn’t play well, and lacked the urgency and intensity that Cholo would’ve wanted against the La Liga new boys.

Antoine Griezmann’s return to the XI provided a boost pre-match, but he did little to change our fortunes in front of goal and was fairly quiet throughout, apart from a few moments.

He did fashion probably our best chance of the opening period, but Leganés’ keeper Serantes was equal to his angled right-footed volley, as he was to just about everything else.

Early in the second half, Gameiro fashioned opening for himself after a good run into the box, but Serantes again came to the rescue to deny his powerful shot at goal.

Simeone brought on Carrasco and Torres to try and break the deadlock, but they too were kept out by the Basque ‘keeper. In truth though, he probably had a quieter evening than he would’ve expected.

The game fizzled out, with Atleti fans left ruing their luck against another team happy to defend, soak up the pressure and fight for every ball. It’s fair to say that they beat us at our own game.

Next up is an international break, before a difficult month that includes trips to Balaídos, Camp Nou and Mestalla as well as the return of the Champions League.

Player ratings:

Jan Oblak – 5

Had very little to do, with Lega not registering a shot on target. Might as well have been another frustrated Atleti fan in the crowd.

Juanfran – 5

Offered himself as always in attack, but his final ball was poor and he was guilty of a few lapses on and off the ball. Not a great start to the season.

Diego Godín – 6

Probably the only player in the team that showed the required amount of desire and urgency. Made sure we remained tight at the back and stopped any Leganés counters.

Stefan Savic – 5

Again, he may as well have been a spectator for much of it. Secure as always, tidy on the ball and switched on when needed.

Filipe Luís – 7 (Man of the match)

Probably our most dangerous attacking player for the second game in a row, which says everything about the two performances. Crossing needs to be more consistent.

Augusto Fernández – 6

Good in the first half, tidying up in the defence and doing a lot of work that will have gone unnoticed. Sacrified with 20 minutes to go as we chased the winner.

Gabi – 5

Again Cholo took him off, which we feel may not have been the wisest move given his influence on the rest of the team at least. Still, looks a little tired after last year’s heroics.

Koke – 4

Day to forget for the Spanish international. Had the right ideas but nothing seemed to come off. Deliveries both from set pieces and in general play way off his best.

Saúl – 5

Not the type of wide player for games where we need to break the opposition down and create chances. Like most of the team, he wasn’t really at the races today.

Antoine Griezmann – 5

Started brightly but faded, which is perhaps a little understandable given this is his first game back. Usually the man we look to when in need of a goal but he didn’t deliver.

Kevin Gameiro – 6

One of our better performers, unlucky to be taken off so early on. Made some good runs and almost fashioned a goal out of nothing. Hoping he stays in the team.


Yannick Carrasco – 6

Often provides the energy and drive off the bench when we need it, but was ineffective on the most part. Still, he showed some intent which can’t be said of a few others.

Fernando Torres – 5

Really should’ve done better with a late headed chance. Didn’t do a great deal otherwise, we felt that Correa would’ve been a better choice to come on in a game like this.

Nico Gaitán – N/A

What did you make of the performance? Are you worried at all about our form?

  • nandes

    6? I love Yannick but he was useless today. I counted about 5 occasions where he went for a individual action instead of passing the ball and ended up losing it

    Anyway the players aren’t the ones who should be condemned for this result

  • Ahmad Hossainy

    That’s what I’ve been saying about Carrasco every week of the last season, but yet he still gets many chances, and Correa is still being benched .

  • Ahmad Hossainy

    I really didn’t expect that Cholo will change his philosophy after Alaves game, and the press confirmed that when they predict -according the mini game in the training- that we will start with Gabi-Augusto-Koke-Saul .

    I don’t know if he will keep sticking to that shit, or is he going to change .
    And if he changed this fucked up 4 CMs and started to use a descent line-up, Gabi-Koke, Correa-Gaitan-Grizi, Gameiro, is it going to work, or is it like what @Mrtn have been repeating for almost a year : our players are not trained to play that kind of football ?! they lack the basics of attacking football ?!!

    This is going to be interesting .

  • Yaakov

    Tough match against Celta away in two weeks. It is always difficult to play there, and Celta has 0 points, so they are also desperate for points. If we won’t win then, the players’ morale will descent into new lows, and that might be hard to recover from.

  • AndersAT

    Well this sucks!

    Losing 4 points on Barca and Real already against two teams which isn’t even semi-tough is a catastrophe. Barca and Real is losing so few points over a season that this may just be the end of our la Liga aspirations this season (a bit pessimistic I know).

    What bothers me is that we can’t even play the type of game we used to well. I don’t think we should try to emulate Real Madrid or Barca in out playing style, because I don’t think we will reach their level anyway. Let’s face it Gabi is no Kroos and Koke is no Modric (yet). In order to win the league or CL we must do what we do best and emulate the team from 13/14 in my opinion . Strong defense, high intensity pressing and forcing the opponent to make mistakes without making any ourselves. And I think that is what Simeone is trying but Jesus Crist somebody have made some huge fuckups.

    1) if Simeone wanted to play like this why not buy the correct players. Why buy Gameiro. He is good, but he is so much similar to Vietto, Correa and Griezmann. I really don’t get it. We need a big strong target man. I am getting tired of seeing long balls and high crosses and set pieces to Gameiro and Griezmann. And Torres is not that strong anymore. Mandzukic actually scored his fair share of goals. Jackson looked like a perfect fit but he was just marvelously bad. But I still think it was the correct type of player.

    2) Saul is no Arda. We are lining up even less creative/offensive than in 13/14. We should always play with either Gaitan or Carrasco (Gaitan looks so good). Saul is more similar to Raul Garcia, and he didn’t play that many games from the start. Simeone really needs to rethink that midfield. Saul or Koke should play with Gabi/Augusto/Tiago in the centre against the smaller teams (I don’t think anyone in here would disagree with that).

    3) we have to score goals on set pieces. It is ridiculous how bad we are. But we need players with a real aerial threat. In 13/14 we had Costa, Tiago, Raul Garcia, Godin and Miranda who could score from set pieces. Now we have Godin (Savic isn’t that good as an attacking header, Gimenez is better that is why I prefer him, but not as good as Miranda was) and Saul is ok, but not great.

    I really don’t understand this transfer policy. And with the transferban we have lost the chance of making major changes. So now Simeone needs to change his style according to the player material. Suddenly this ban looks like a nightmare. I think this may set us back to being the third team in Spain and not an actual contender to win the title (right now I would be glad if we get a CL spot). In conclusion this sucks!

  • snᴉsɐlB

    such a fucked up game.

    why did cholo subbed gameiro? he wasn’t even that bad. at least he was way better than torres.
    but more importantly, why didn’t he bring in someone who can actually add something to our attacking play?
    then he brings in gaitan FOR THE LAST 10 MINUTES?! what. the. fuck.

    when i saw the starting lineup, i was shocked. i fuckin knew we were not gonna win this.

    i love cholo, i really do. but if he is not going to change this fuckin overdefensive shit, which he calls our game, i think we better off without him.

  • SherbetDip

    Is it burn out after the disappointment of Milan and is it going to lead to a free fall similar to that of Liverpool, or of Chelsea last year? Ah well, the players can be happy that Torres is on board because there can be no doubt that the British media pack based in Spain will find a way to lay the blame at his door, whether explicitly or implicitly, even if he only plays a few minutes at the end of every game from now on, or not at all.

  • Rquaresma

    I do not know how it is in the Spanish language forum but if people there are at least little similar to here Cholo should start listen to us ! Fuck those 4 defensive midfielders. Play with only 2 of them + Gaitan and Carassco/Correa or take you tactics to Inter Milano !

  • Jeronamo Pakor Jones

    How does Koke get a 4? Seriously?

  • atleti10

    I think Griezmanns comments were directed towards the coach and the system.

    He can’t be happy playing such negative football.

  • Kris

    He’s definitely not happy. Also the fact that he lost 2 finals last season after carrying both teams to the finals has made him more pissed and hungrier. He’s a player that has the ability to become a huge name in world football, but when his team isn’t doing things to help him elevate to this stage it’s understandable he gets pissed off.

    Atleti and Griezmann are what they are right now because of Simeone, but Simeone is also what he is today because of Atletico and players like Griezmann. He seems to want to be stuck in the same mentality of three years ago, while the type of players that he has at his disposal have changed.

  • Kris

    I don’t think we are headed the route of Liverpool, Chelsea, and Dortmund. It’s just that the manager has been reluctant to change things when everything else around him has changed. I know he realizes this and if he just acted upon it, we’ll go back to winning ways.

  • Koke

    I can’t even think of what to say that hasn’t already been said a million times. From the starting line up to waiting till the 80th minute to bring on Gaitan, to leaving Correa the miracle worker on the bench, to letting a couple players who could have really helped us this season leave through the back door. None of this makes sense to me.

    I think people have already forgotten how TERRIBLE Real Madrid was in the Champions League final. They sat back and did nothing, just sitting in front of their goal, I almost thought they were Atletico except obviously really much worse at defending. We were “dominating” them, and by that I mean keeping possession in their half and looking for ways to score. I kept thinking, is this all Zidane can do? This poor tactical display, with no ideas and no plan?

    Now I’m starting to think that WAS his plan, and if so, it might just have been ingenious. This Atleti team has no fucking clue on what to do when they are given the ball and urged to go attack. They would almost rather be defending for their lives against Bayern Munich than attacking for their lives against Alaves. The first scenario they feel more comfortable and competent. If we had any sort of attacking competency, we should have destroyed Real in the final, but whether by luck or by wit, their tactics of sitting back resulted in us being unable to score more than one goal. Likewise, we should be habitually dominating teams like this that sit back against us, these minnows, but all we have been able to do is rely on lucky goals in the last 10 minutes. It’s almost good we dropped points this weekend and last, because if it were last season, Griezmann would have scored a scrappy goal at the finish, we would get 3 lucky points, and everyone would be a little more at ease and less willing to complain. I really don’t feel good about our chances in La Liga this year, because we have no spine against smaller teams than us it seems. 4 points down after two games? Do you know how many games it takes for Barcelona and Real Madrid to drop 4 points? That’s a HUGE gap. Even after 20 games 4 points is considered a huge gap, one that means the leading team really has to screw up for the other to win. All I can ask for now is to finish third, which isn’t even guaranteed, unless Atleti can really pull it together from now. Yes, it’s really early in the season, but it’s not like this problem isn’t already 2 years old.

  • atleti10

    Ye absolutely, Griezmann would be scoring 40+ goals a season at Bayern, PSG, Barca even possibly City. He could do the same at Atleti if the system afforded him more opportunities and more importantly more clear cut opportunities. All the money in the world won’t hold onto him if this doesn’t change.

    This is a crossroads in Simeone career. He either evolves or begins to regress. I can’t imagine Argentina wanting him quite so much after the last 2 performances.

  • Kris

    I have always said this, but I don’t think there are better managers than him for cup competitions. He’s a perfect fit for a team that plays in knockout competitions because he’s perfect at motivating players and getting the best out of them(when not using them out of position). But, he needs to spend time with the players or he won’t succeed.

    I don’t want him to ever leave us because he’s a tremendous fucking manager if he just adapted to the environment, like when he plays against Bayern, Barca, Madrid, etc. etc. He is just so reluctant to change the players that he uses for his beautifully set up system. I can tell you that if Correa/Carrasco and Gaitan begin to line up on the flanks instead of Saul and Koke, we will see better results. Carrasco needs space to play in, but Correa and Gaitan are able to find space out of nowhere. They’re really good dribblers and can get away from players that are marking them with their footwork. Koke and Saul? Not so much.. Why? because they were not born to play those roles. They are CMs.
    Sigh… just feels so regurgitated but still we won’t see any changes. Dammit Cholo!

  • Rashid

    El cholo should be changed as simple as that… he wanted stars in his team buto still play with defensive midfielders.

  • Kris

    Let’s criticize him, but not go that far yet. He is still a fantastic manager who has taken Atletico to great heights. If we’re still not getting results by January, then he’ll probably resign himself. But, I am confident we will start winning games very soon again.

  • aileen

    Changes are necessary.Starting from midfielders: we don`t need four of them especially when we play with the teams preferring defensive style (like we do)-it was said million times .Next thing :Koke and Saul -something has happened to both of them and don`t want to call it preseason as I did before.We need real wingers playing on the flanks (Carrasco/ Gaitan/Correa we need two of them from the beginning.Can`t understand at all why Cholo sold/ borrowed Oliver and Diogo Jota to Porto-especially the last one looked promising :/And the attack: Griezmann -Torres from the start (not after the badly played first half or the last 30 minutes to make miracles from nothing!) like it was in the last season. Gameiro unfortunately feels and behaves like during practice, not a real game

  • Mrtn

    It’s a tragedy to watch this team struggling to “play” like the champions 3 years ago, while the whole attacking section has changed. Just think about the incredible money spent on attackers that do not fit Cholo’s system. That money could cover at least half of our debts… or who knows how much debt we exactly have… This really is like throwing money away.
    I really can’t imagine how transfers are done by this club as it looks like someone keeps signing the players that do absolutely not fit Cholo’s system. Even more sad is that these players are not bad, just incompatible with Cholo.
    We do not have a single attacker taller than 178CM… How can this happen with a manager that is as accurate that Cholo is? How can you not realize the lack of phisical presence in your attacking line?
    Please, guys, be realistic: Cholo’s system is based on heroic display from every single player, not the tactics or individual skills. Honestly, remember our Liga-winning season, particularly the lst game in Barcelona. How many clear-cut chances they had? How many times did we avoid conceding a goal only with a heroic goal-line save or pure luck just in that one game. How many times had we been outplayed extremely in this last 4 seasons without losing? How many times did we beat minor teams with awful displays and that single lucky goal we all know very well?
    I think no Atletico fan denies Simeone’s huge impact on the club, but let’s not forget that this Club is the one that keeps spending like (or sometimes even more than) Barca and Real for years now.
    The problem can not be resolved by fielding other players in other formation, the whole training system needs to be changed. Last week we played with 6 attackers in the end yet we were unable to play fluid, the passes are badly positioned, hardly played through-balls, our game is just not flowing. An this is the 3rd consecutive season we can see this…
    Really sad but VAMOS ATLETI!

  • aileen

    You have many crucial observations and I agree with them in many points.I wrote about possible changes, but probably not real ones.Hope dies in the end;)
    It`s clear that Cholo doesn`t want any changes-probably just because they will demand real revolution in training system- and equally or even more difficult for him – to say- I was wrong.He`s a man, he comes from South America, and he`s the boss.Mission impossible;)
    Moreover I was writing before about preseason and training routine and as we can see all this athletic and (over) powering drills simply kill fluidity and creativity.
    Maybe when somebody in the club, after some weak seasons notices that we don`t play bad, we have big names but we still loose- imposes that through employing a coach who could anticipate, who trusts anybody apart from himself, who wants to work with youngsters, and is more flexible in applied tactics… something can gradually change.
    And last, we have tall attacker- I mean Torres who is 186 cm, but the thing is to pair him or with Griezmann /or Gameiro not Gameiro plus Griezmann who both are short.-it doesn`t work in any club and any tactics.

  • nandes

    Well Dortmund could actually be a good example for us. Everyone though they would crumble after Klopp’s disastrous last season but they found Tuchel who is doing some great work. Obviously we haven’t reached the tragic level of BVB’s 14/15 season yet but…

  • Mrtn

    OMG I forgot about Torres….. 😀
    Shame on me, still, we need tall and strong central forwards for Cholo’s sytem.

  • Coe Trevorrow

    I hate to say it because I love this team and coach so much but if we do not change something fast we are heading to a Chelsea or Dortmund season. I mean seriously both of the last two games were disasters and we all know it. And if we cant beat them then who can we beat?

  • Hannu

    And thats why Torres will be our first choice striker (pairing with Griezmann) at the end of the season. Gameiro is good striker without doubt but he should be more like sub for Griezmann and not pairing with him so here we come to conclusion that he was more or less wrong choice. And in the mean time we sold our 191 cm stiker…

  • Ahmad Hossainy

    I’ve been reading a lot in Spanish, English & Arabic that this was always our style and it has brought us a lot of success in the last 5 seasons, and we should trust it and keep faith in it, and I think they couldn’t be more wrong .
    They are missing two very important points :
    1- This is NOT our style in 2012, 2013 & 2014 .
    2- What we achieved in the last two seasons wasn’t a success .

    Let me start with the success part :
    (If you gonna bring in Manzano & Quique and the 2000 relegation then stop reading)
    I talked about that in length many times, I don’t consider ten 1-0 wins against small teams -including the relegated three- a success, in fact, they were a foresight for what is happening right now .
    We missed a big chance to win La Liga title last season because we kept struggling against teams with 20 & 30 million budget, or even less .
    We did reach UCL final though, but we did so after passing the average PSV in round of 16 on shootout after failing to score in 210 minutes .

    For the last two seasons we have been so good against Barca, Madrid & Bayern, and so bad against the likes of Rayo, Getafe, Las Palmas, PSV & Astana .
    And here is the thing :
    In La Liga there are only one Barca & one Madrid, and in Europe there are only one Bayern, one Man City & one PSG, what the fuck are we gonna do against the other 17 teams in La Liga and the other 26 teams in UCL ?!

    For the style :
    Koke & Saul are not Arda & Diego Ribas, and anyone who thinks they are is an idiot, including Simeone .
    We couldn’t replace Diego Ribas at the time, so Simeone asked Koke to step in and take his place, and he did, successfully, because he had a great midfielder next to him called Arda Turan who helped him a lot and made things very easier to him .
    Then we lost Arda too, but we had the money to sign a player as good as him or even better, but we didn’t, Simeone decided to count on Oliver, but he lost his faith in him very quickly, but still didn’t sign a replacement for Arda, instead he has been putting most of our money on strikers, 8 of them in 3 seasons, including Torres, who didn’t come for free, he was switched with 16-million Cerci (our ONLY winger back then), and he asked Koke and Saul to create chances to those strikers, and they just don’t know how, not their job .

    Also, we lost Tiago to injury, a CM who can score a lot of goals and provide some attacking solutions, and we replaced him with Augusto, an out and out defensive midfielder .

    We didn’t have such an offensively poor midfiled when we won Europa League, Copa del Rey and La Liga, THIS IS NOT OUR STYLE .

    There is also the issue of the “muscles” that some people talked about, we replaced the likes of Costa and Raul with the likes of Correa and Vietto, some journalists in Spain talked about that at the beginning of last season and suggested that it was Simeone’s idea and that he wanted to use less brawn and more brain, but at the end Vietto, Oli & Correa were benched, and we ended up with neither brawn nor brain, just a fucking freak of a team that has no game plan and no identity .

    I still trust Simeone, but I absolutely do not trust this bullshit we have been seeing .

  • aileen

    We can see that and how it works, but the coach can`t 😉

  • jodo

    You can’t have all piano carriers–there has to be at least one who can play the keys. Simeone won’t start or give significant time to a true #10 or playmaker. Carrasco isn’t a true #10, it’s just the number on his shirt.

  • Ringo

    No it is about tactics. Those tactics are put into practice for the whole 90 minutes (and almost season) through the heroic displays and it’s the individual skills that give just the edge to change these tactics into a winning one. Koke’s passing, Griezmann his finishing, the bursts of Carrasco. It’s more than one thing, but the foundation is the tactics.

    The team is having a rough start. That’s okay, they’re human, Simeone is too. His line ups could have been better, but it’s not like we had some skilless players on the pitch, they’re still very much above average even if they didn’t show it this time around.

    We’ll grow, we just have to be patient and not greedy, every victory is still a victory not just the avoidance of points lost. It’s not that because we’ve been doing so well for almost five years now that suddenly LaLiga is a walk in the park. The success came through the struggle every season. Every game is still a challenge, the last time i checked the Leganes 11 weren’t some 5 year olds.

    We lost, so it goes. I think we’ll be fine. We’ll be ugly in many games, but fine in general. Perhaps we’ll finish a little lower this season but I’m sure we’ll have many moments to be proud of and reasons to celebrate. We shouldn’t become blind gloryhunters because of 2014 and last season’s title challenges. Let’s enjoy what we can.

    Also it’s early season, it’s not weird to be looking for rhythm still, Simeone too. I hope to see some 4-3-3 or more offensive 4-4-2 formations, but we’ll just have to wait and see and be patient.

  • Ringo

    Koke instead of Diego was actually one of the major keys to success. Diego is a better dribbler, Koke beats him at almost everything else, especially pacing the game. His vision is so fast that he has always been our best player at creating chances for those strikers. How many chances does he have to create for Torres and Griezmann to convince you? He needs to be CM now because that area is slowly decreasing in its pacing and it’s his natural position. But, he’s still a terrific offensive midfielder, on the left wing he is too.

    Creativity isn’t solely found in dribbling players. Koke has creative vision, creative first touch, more so than Correa and Griezmann, it’s just right now that would be useful in the center to move things up. Changing Koke’s position will always be because he’s good at something, not bad at something. He’s definitely not a bad winger for not being extremely fast. Similar with Saúl but he’s still a little inconsistent and more of a powerhouse. There’s more than just the classic winger to put on the wings. It’s just not working out right now. Personally I think a dribbler like Correa or Gaitán instead of Gabi or Augusto (or Tiago) would benefit us a lot to create more movement, but it won’t always be better than Koke or Saúl and it won’t always be the best just because it’s some “relegation side”. Tactics and squads differ among lower placed teams too. Real is a different challenge than Atleti is, while they’re at a similar “level”.

    Also it would benefit some people on here to show respect to our opponents. PSV was very strong against us with their defensive approach and particular talents. Their tactics have gotten so much more out of many players. Guardado,Moreno, De Jong were much better than they were at their respective previous clubs. Don’t diminish their effort just because of their “small name”. Arrogance usually doesn’t look nice on people. It’s also extremely disrespectful.

  • Ringo

    A bad pass sticks more than a good one I guess. Plus solid games are given a 5 so below (their own) par is probably 4. Otherwise I wouldn’t know.

  • Ringo

    Yeah it’s not like we were champions league finalists two games prior.


    Two bad results = sacking?

    The two first games of a season didn’t go as well as we hoped they would. Let’s not do anything drastic lol. I’ve disagreed with Cholo a lot and many games were ugly but he’s far from doing a bad job, even against two (well performing) promoted sides.

    Take it easy man, yikes.

    If we don’t grow at all, time for changes might be ahead, but it’s way too early for that. Waaaaaaay too early.

  • AndersAT

    You speak the truth. I agree that Koke is a great offensive player. I think I can function fine on one of the flanks opposite Gaitan for example. But against smaller sides he should be in the centre.

    And I totally agree about the respect for the opposition, PSV went on to the round of 16 because they deserved it. And I don’t think a criteria for success is to beat teams in la liga by two or more. If we score the first goal it is for us more effective to defend home the lead and count on counterattack than to continue pressing and open op for the other side counterattacking. Furthermore, there should be more respect for the other sides in la liga. All sides have the ability to harass the bigger sides and we shouldn’t expect to win with more than one against any of them. Real Madrid also wins many matches by a margin of one.

  • Ahmad Hossainy

    Please Ringo, don’t turn this into personal thing as you tend to do sometimes .
    PSV is not a small name, they have a Champions League title, we don’t .
    And I said that after we drew them last season, before we even played against them, but I also said that I’m talking about this PSV and this Atleti, and the differences right now are big, while the differences between us and Leganes are huge, so please don’t tell us that their XI are not 5 years olds as you said to Mrtn .
    I will respect PSV, but not to the degree that we took off Carrasco and brought in Kranevitter in min 75 because Cholo decided that he will play for the shootout, do you know what’s that like ?!
    It’s like if Cocu said to Simeone : “Fight me” and he replied : “No, I’m not gonna fight you, but let’s play Russian roulette” .

    And call me arrogant as you want, but I’m sorry, I will not respect Astana, Las Palmas, Alaves, Leganes or motherfuckers Levante .
    Of course they can beat us, or beat Barca or Madrid, this is football, but they will still be small teams, and I wouldn’t line up 4 CMs against them out of respect .
    Maybe you are the one who should have some respect to the 10-times Liga winners and 10-times Copa winner Atleti, and stop saying stuff like “Leganes 11 weren’t some 5 year olds” .

    About Koke :
    I did say that he took Diego’s place successfully, but I think it’s obvious that -for one reason or another- he has been struggling in that position for a couple of seasons now .
    I don’t want Koke in the middle because we need him there, but because he is not good enough on the wing, not anymore .

    How many chances does he have to create for Torres & Grizi to convince me, you ask ?!
    Well, for a player who earns 6 million euros per season, and who plays as an AM for a club that can afford another 80-million euros AM, I want more than 10 open-play assists in La Liga every season .
    Last season he got 10, not bad, but in 2014/15 he only got one .
    And look to his open-play assists, almost all of them were through passes, and many of them came from the center, or even from our own half, he still can do that when he plays in the middle, and there he can use his great vision (that I never denied) even better .
    And let some fast, great dribbler, real winger or real attacking midfielder take his place on the flanks .

    Koke is a 100-million euros player, he doesn’t need me to say that, but he is a CM, not an AM .

    I wish I was like you Ringo, don’t see any problem with 0-0 against Astana, PSV or Leganes, and don’t go mad when I see Correa who had 8 goals and 4 assist in less than 1400 minutes of play last season getting benched week after week, and don’t get frustrated when we spend 25 million on Gaitan to put him on the bench .

    Good for you man .

  • AndersAT

    Should we buy Giroud as a panic solution now that Arsenal have bought Lucas Perez?

    I like his style, and I think he could be a good alternative to the “small” forwards.

    I know it might be a bit unrealistic, but he is being treated like shit by Wenger.

  • Ringo

    I’m just reacting to your comments/way of commenting, in a way thats inevitably personal lol. I’m just saying things could be so much worse and this PSV was amazing and even though they play like it, Atleti is not full of machines. They can underperform, PSV can rise above themselves sometimes, which they did. Saying it’s all because of Atleti failure is not fair to PSV. This means Barça and Bayern failed against us with all their offensive prowess.

    You ignore all the effort that has gone into Atleti’s rise to where we stand now. Noticing PSV’s threat and reacting to it might be fear tactics but it wasn’t without any idea behind it. I have a hard time seeing people taking things for granted, if that’s you than I tend to want to reply to it, like I did now. Alaves played pretty well against us and we made some mistakes. I’m not happy about it but shit fucking happens, so I’ll accept it and try to not get both sad and angry at people for not playing to their statistics or price tag (which is actually just the price tag of their contracts at the time of their transfers, not their actual selves). We lost valuable points. So it goes. Maybe we won’t next time. As long as they’ll try, which they did, I won’t be mad. I’ll be disappointed but not mad. Even if I disagree with the substitutions and overall tactics.

  • Ringo

    Yeah strategies differ, we won’t win with Barça scores anytime soon but we’ll win (I hope lol). And it’s not like LaLiga is easy either. That’s what made our previous seasons such accomplishments.

    And yeah I’d rather see Koke in the center too, but still he’s a player who’s able to tear up defenses up. He’s proven himself enough. But yeah I want him in center.

  • Alfred Rodriguez

    Oh Diego. Diego Ribas was my favorite Atleti player during his first loan spell. His creativity on the ball was amazing to watch. I kept hoping he would return and was thrilled when he did. After a few games in his second spell, I started noticing something about Diego. There were many times Diego would shoot from distance or attempt to take it all the way by himself and thus interrupt the flow of attack. This would irk me so much because I felt like it was ruining the game plan. Since that was the year Atleti won the league, there was no reason to not go with the successful flow of THAT team.
    Now we fast forward and it seems like we need someone like Diego that can change the game when it NEEDS to be changed. At the moment the one player that most resembles Diego’s game is Angel Correa, though I think Correa right now is more likely to make the final pass than take the shot. Koke is a great player for the system that requires precise passing and flow, but when the passing lanes are clogged up from a team that parks the bus, there isn’t much more Koke can provide. I am not panicking because Atleti tied two games, I am panicking because the moves seemed obvious and Simeone stuck with the same strategy.

  • Ahmad Hossainy

    I can’t understand why do you and some other people assume that anybody criticizing some of Simeone’s decisions is ignoring the efforts and the successes and being ungrateful ?!
    We don’t deny what has been achieved, and we are grateful, but we won’t be taking hostage to that La Liga title in 2014, because this is not Leicester, this is Atleti .

    Taking things for granted is wrong, but acting like we are absolutely fine and we don’t have any problem is not right either .

    Ringo, you are not stupid, you are a smart person, I’ve been reading your posts long enough to know that, so don’t pretend that you think we are only talking about Alaves, Leganes & PSV, you know very well that our problem (or what we think is our problem) is much bigger and older .
    63 goals in La Liga last season, 1.6 goal per game, in 20 games of the 38 we scored only one goal or we scored none .
    Struggling in both games against Rayo who conceded 73 goals, winning 1-0 at the Calderon and 2-0 at Vallecas, with the first of those two coming at min 88 .

    Koke had only ONE open play assist in 2014/15 and you’re saying that he can tear defenses apart, no he can’t, no he cant !
    If he could, and with our defense, the best in Spain and Europe, we would have won the triple .
    Koke shouldn’t have played one more game out wide after that one assist in 2014/15 .

    And how about Saul who is benching Correa and Gaitan ?!
    And before you bring up his goal against Bayern, let me remind you of Adrian who put us in UCL semifinal with his assist against Barca, then put us in the final with his goal against Chelsea, then we sold him two months later .
    A player can’t be judge by a goal or two or a game or two .
    Let me confess something for the first time, and some people will hate me for that :
    When Saul scored his golazo against Bayern, the first thing I said was : “fuck, now he will never be benched”, really, and as much as I was happy with the goal I was upset that it was Saul who scored it, because I know how Simeone thinks .

    We also never asked to win with Barca’s and Madrid’s scores, you also know that very well, I want 76 goals per season, an average of 2 goals per game, I guess this is not too much to ask .
    And I’m not asking to win or even fight for La Liga title this season, we can afford not to win it for a couple more seasons, but what we can not afford for even one season is to not qualify to the CL, this is a matter of life or death for us, and I’m afraid that with the way things are going on we could finish out of the top 4 this season .

    To get 3 points you need to score goals, clean sheets only secure you one point .

  • Othman

    Saúl on Griezmann: “He should think about what he says”

    What do you think about that?
    Why Saul in particular is replying to Grizi?

    In my opinion, he know that he should be benched if we want to play a better football. He is the fourth CM that changes everything, with Gaitan or Corea or even Thomas we will not suffer like that

    Simeone, you cannot win every single game with grinta, especially when we are weak on corners.

  • Ringo

    I’m just saying that just because we won doesn’t mean it isn’t hard to achieve anything anymore. Every game is still difficult and every goal is still not easy to make. Saúl has done terrifically last season, even if it didn’t always look pretty or like a classic winger. Koke only having one open play assist in one particular season is not just his doing and it’s merely a statistic.
    Just as 76 goals is just a statistic.

    And your Leicester argument is exactly what I mean when I speak about arrogance and greed.

  • Ringo

    Yeah i loved Diego, but I noticed (in his first season) he always slowed the play down. When Koke replaced him everything sped up and more chances were created. Diego his second spell surely was different, but I’m not sure if that was lost passion, lost team spirit or just a lack of his name on the sheet from the start.

    And I agree about Koke not always being the best strategy as offensive midfielder against each and every opponent. But, he’s still always a good one. Against PSV him as offensive midfielder/winger wasn’t the best strategy, I think, but still he created a huge chance for Griezmann. That mostly wasn’t an assist because of Griezmann and perhaps Zoet, not Koke.

    Correa might have worked out better against such a defensive tactic, with his fast and agile dribbles, but it’s hard to speak in certainties with these things. Plus Simeone is always a little conservative with his tactics/players, which possibly will stay that way for a while.

    But we’ll just have to wait and see. I hope to see more Correa and offensive runs, etc, but it’s no use complaining about what we cannot change and cannot see in the training sessions. It’s not like Simeone doesn’t have his reasons at all to not change around much. He just views it differently than we do.

  • Ahmad Hossainy

    Can you ask RM, Barca or Bayern fans to not be “arrogant” and greedy and asking for the triple every single season ?!
    Can you ask Chelsea fans that ?!
    Can you ask the citizens ?!

    What is the standard here ?! where can we draw the line ?!
    Where do you see Atleti on the football map ?!

  • Alfred Rodriguez

    My extreme realistic standard is lifting atleast one trophy a year. The border standard is atleast top 3 every season, and passed the group stages of Champions League. I think that is a good standard to keep season after season.

    Atletico is like Sporting CP of Portuguese league with Benfica and Porto being the poster teams. Accepting that we wont be bigger than the other two does not mean we can’t strive to have a better season.

  • KC

    Wow, two games in and the panic button has already been pressed. The system has brought success the last few years. Why change it? Now, I agree against newly promoted teams and other weaker opponents we should start with a more offensive minded approach, but it is difficult to play well both ways.

    Why is he starting Gameiro? Did he not witness how well Torres and Griezmann played together last year? Torres opens up space for Griezmann(which he needs), he can finish when provided the right ball and works his ass off for the team. We DO NOT need two 30 goal a year scorers!!! Other than Barcelona, how many teams had two guys score 30 goals and made it as far as Atletico in the Champions league? Wait, didn’t we beat Barcelona in the Champions league?

    Playing defensively means you will draw against weaker teams on occasion and win against better talent on other days. Take the good with the bad and worry after 6 or 8 games.

  • Ahmad Hossainy

    Either lifting one trophy a season or even every two or three seasons, or just finishing in top 3 every season, in both cases we are still much much bigger than Leicester, and that doesn’t make me an arrogant (can’t fucking believe that I’m actually have to say that to an Atleti fan) .

    Somebody please tell Ringo, because I’m just tired of trying to make him and the people like him to have some respect for Atleti .

    If you say “Atleti is not Leicester” then you are arrogant !
    Joder .

  • Jeronamo Pakor Jones

    He was better than Saul tho so i don’t get it

  • Jeronamo Pakor Jones

    I was upset with Saul coming out and saying that… No disrespect to Saul but he should know his place. At the end of the day no one is bigger than this club not even Simeone but some of these players seem to be thinking that lately. I have no problem with a player questioning or even being frustrated with how things are going when we should be doing better

  • Kris

    Yeah. Some people seem to think Simeone is bigger than Atletico. Saul didn’t need to respond in the way he did. He should understand as a player that not everybody is able to keep their head high like he seems to be able to do, and especially in the heat of the moment. Even Simeone has lost his cool so many times on the pitch.

    Griezmann lost two finals in a row after carrying both of his teams to the final. He also is good enough to become one of the best in the world with the help of his team. When your team isn’t helping you reach your ambitions, it is kind of frustrating after knowing how good you are and can be. Saul need not have responded to the interviewer’s question in such a manner even if he is Simeone’s fucking pet, trying to stir up dressing room drama against the best performer in the team. Griezmann didn’t call out any name. His frustration included himself because he is part of the team.

    It’s Saul who needs to fucking think before saying these things, because he’s just giving the press more info to try to dismantle a dressing room that Simeone has worked so hard to maintain during the past few years.

  • Ahmad Hossainy

    Yeah, Saul needs to know his place, the kid has been spoiled, benching Oliver, Carrasco, Correa & Gaitan, getting the captain armband against Rayo last season, getting the number 8 shirt this season .

    Maybe he deserves all that, but look how other players, other canteranos are being treated by Simeone .
    Borja wasn’t even given a squad number in the preseason, he didn’t play a single minute under Simeone, and he wasn’t even loaned to Swansea, he was sold, and for half the amount that Villarreal sold Bailly the stupid defender for .
    Or look at Oliver, last season I noticed something, Simeone mentioned his name almost never when he praised his players in his press conferences :
    “We have a lot of young players, Oblak is young, Lucas es joven, Gimenez es joven, Saul es joven, Koke es joven, Thomas es joven, Carrasco es joven” no Oliver .
    “I’m happy to see the players who don’t play regularly responding very well when they get their chance, like Gamez, como Thomas, como Lucas, como Kranevitter, como Correa” no Oliver .

    In the game against Melbourne Victory in the preseason, when Tiago had to come out for injury, I looked at the players on the pitch wondering who will get the captain armband, and the answer was very obvious : Oliver .
    But Simeone decided to give it to Lucas .
    Again, maybe he deserved it, but Oliver NEEDED it, and it was a fucking friendly with a team of Atleti B players majority .
    I don’t know how Oliver felt that day, but if it was me I would have felt very broken .

    There is an Egyptian proverb that translates to :
    “Who finds spoiling and doesn’t get spoiled is an idiot” .
    And I guess Saul isn’t an idiot, been asking to get equal in pay with Koke and Grizi (more than Godin & Juanfran) while negotiating his renewal and teaching Grizi how to make a post-game interview .
    Also as we say in Egypt -sarcastically- in such situation :
    “you earned that baby” .

    A little harsh, I know, but I also know that there are many super nice Atleti fans out there, so I’m just trying to make some balance .

  • Jeronamo Pakor Jones

    Actually your opinion isn’t harsh. It’s your opinion and i guess i agree with it. No one believed that Oliver deserved to be playing in this side more than me, the kid has amazing ability and his talent is needed in such a squad but he was treated unfairly to say the least.

    The things you are saying about Saul, I actually told a friend of mine who is a Barcelona fan and he was as upset as i was that we’ve been playing this system of 4 cdm type players in those games. He even picked the layers who he thinks should play and without surprise it’s the same thing basically all of us are saying. He even believes this side is better than what I’ve seen some of our own supporters say and i agree with him.

  • Jeronamo Pakor Jones

    I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees it this way honestly

  • Hannu

    Yeah the way Borja and Oliver was treated is just disgrace. Though Oliver got even tiny change last season but as you said Borja got nothing and I have said before but once again that what you have to do when you are loaned if 18 goals arent enough? I quess you dont deserve even squad number in preseason.

  • AndersAT

    Totally agree. Borja could have been such a nice addition to our struggling attack.

  • nandes

    Looking back Óliver’s season was all wrong from the start. The huge amount of expectations that were built on him, the #10 shirt, Cholo expecting him to replace Arda Turan… everyone seemed to forget he’s a young player who’s still growing and learning

    Then when Óliver didn’t meet these huge expectations Cholo kicked him out of the squad and the club

    Just ridiculous really


    we begged about diego (Badass) costa signing but they ignored us and signed Gameiro


    actually we supposed to start with the 4 defensive (Fighters) midfielders in matches against assholes like Real and Barcelona, but not with the other teams that we must play offense against them


    we asked to sign our former ass kicker costa and what we got ? a Fucking Gameiro are they Fucking kidding me


    we begged about diego (Badass) costa signing but they ignored us and signed Gameiro


    we asked to sign our former ass kicker costa and what we got ? a Fucking Gameiro are they fucking kidding me

  • RQuaresma

    Atleti is no Leicester ! Atleti is one of the top 5 best in the world clubs nowadays. Atleti must strive to become the best in the world in the few comming years and not to strugle to hold its place in the top 5 !